POD 8/21 - QB Trent Green, Kansas Ciy Chiefs |
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Jason Wood and Chase Stuart - Exclusive to Footballguys.com
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Wood's Thoughts:
If you had a crystal ball before last year's football season and
knew with 100% certainty that:
- Eddie Kennison would lead the Chiefs in receiving with 53 receptions
for 906 yards
- Free agent Johnnie Morton would be one of the biggest busts of
the year
- No other WR would catch more than 20 passes
- Tony Gonzalez would see his yardage, receptions and YPC drop for
the 3rd straight season
- Priest Holmes, the team's best player and most prolific receiver,
would be injured for two games
what would you have thought about Trent Green's fantasy prospects?
Well, needless to say, you would've been wrong, very wrong. For those
that didn't notice (and it seems like that includes quite a few of
us), Trent Green had a fantastic season last year throwing for almost
3,700 yards, 26 touchdowns and just 13 interceptions. In fact,
according to Footballguys scoring, Trent Green finished 8th among
fantasy QBs last year.
What Trent Green accomplished last year was nothing short of phenomenal
all things considered, and is a testament to both his skills as a
passer and the offensive machinations of HC Dick Vermeil and OC Al
Saunders. Remember, is about to enter his FIFTH season in this offensive
system (he was the Rams starter before anyone had every heard of Kurt
Warner, only to get hurt in the 1999 preseason).
Despite being a fantasy force to be reckoned with last year, Green
isn't getting much attention in the early rounds this year. According
to Antsports, Green is the 14th QB selected on average (in 12 team,
performance mocks). Does that make sense? Is there a reason to expect
Green to fall off somewhat this year? Let's take a look at how his
situation has changed, if at all.
Defensive Improvements - Kansas City fielded one of the worst
defensive units in the league last season, and as a result they were
forced into shootouts frequently. This offseason, the team spent a
majority of its resources on improving the defensive side of the ball
(e.g., bringing in LB Shawn Barber, DE Vonnie Holiday, etc
)
and some have suggested that, as a result, the Chiefs will pass less
this season. I don't see that happening for a couple of reasons. One,
I'm not sure that the additions made are in and of themselves going
to solve the team's defensive woes. Two, even if they do, this is
a dynamic offense with an aggressive coaching staff that has never
shied away from throwing the ball.
Offensive Line - The Chiefs have one of the best, if not the
best, offensive lines in football. The line buys Green plenty of time
to step back in the pocket and read the defense, and barring significant
injury, there is every reason to expect more of the same in 2003.
Additionally, the team added talented depth via the draft in Brett
Williams and Jordan Black.
Receiving Corps - As I already alluded; the Chiefs don't field
a receiving corps that puts the fear of God in many defensive backfields.
However, the team returns the same group of receivers this year that
were able to provide Green with so many outlets. Another year in the
Saunders/Vermeil system coupled with another offseason working together
with Green can only help the team; it's certainly no reason to expect
less. Additionally, early camp reports suggest that Johnnie Morton,
who is undoubtedly better than he showed last year, is once again
playing like he can be a major contributor.
Positives
- Veteran passer who is intimately familiar with the Vermeil/Saunders
offensive system (this is his fifth year in the system)
- Returns all of his weapons, including arguably the game's best
running back, tight end and offensive line
- Regardless of the team's defensive ranking, Vermeil is committed
to an aggressive offensive attack
Negatives
- Unless Morton returns to the form he showed in his prime with
the Lions, Green still has one of the least impressive wide receiver
groups in the NFL
- Priest Holmes' hip injury, if more severe than currently perceived,
could derail the entire KC offense
Final Thoughts
Trent Green is no flash in the pan. People forget that this guy was
the 6th best fantasy QB in 1998 playing in a completely different
offense (Norv Turner's system in Washington). Following that year,
Dick Vermeil handpicked Green to be his QB with the Rams, where he
absolutely tore it up in the preseason before succumbing to a season-ending
injury, which opened the door for Kurt Warner. In 2000 Green again
had a chance to play and, in eight games put up over 2000 yards, 16
TDs and just 5 INTs
he was again a top fantasy option when given
the chance to start. Vermeil then made a move to acquire Trent to
run the Kansas City offense upon taking over that job. This is a guy
who, in three separate years, was an extremely productive fantasy
QB. Why that should be any different this season, I don't know. Considering
you can draft Green several rounds after others have reached for a
QB of similar skill and production, he is a worthwhile consideration
for team's looking to win their leagues. Draft accordingly.
Stuart's Thoughts:
Trent Green lost his top two wide receivers from 2001, and saw the
production of his star tight end take a noticeable drop. How did Green
respond? With a career high 26 TDs and 3,690 yards! Green and Priest
Holmes led the Chiefs to the top offense in the league, totaling 6,000
yards and leading the league in scoring. What does Green have at his
disposal?
- Perhaps the game's best RB, who when healthy doubles as one of
the top receiving RBs in the league.
- Perhaps the best TE in the NFL, who is unquestionably one of the
top receiving TEs in all of football.
- A quartet of wideouts, who combine experience and upside: Starters
Johnnie Morton and Eddie Kennison, and young playmakers Marc Boerigter
and Dante Hall.
Can Green improve on a strong 2002 season? Or will he have
difficulties just matching a stellar season? The way I see it, Green's
going to take a step or two back in 2003, despite how much I like
both Green and the Vermeil system. There's no doubt about Green's
ability, and Vermeil has had "Super" success in his third
year with teams. However, too many things need to go right for Green
to even stay afloat:
- For starters, the Chiefs finished tenth in the league in QB fantasy
points. They were ahead of the Rams and Packers, and I expect both
Warner and Favre to outperform Green this year.
- Green and company also ranked above fast finishers such as Matt
Hasselbeck and Brad Johnson, who are in strong offensive systems
in their own right.
- Wildcards such as Kerry Collins, Chad Pennington and Patrick Ramsey
have a lot of positives in their favor. Suffice it to say, in the
best of worlds it would be difficult for Green to repeat in the
top ten.
When you factor in eight touchdowns from Marc Boerigter and 900 yards
from Eddie Kennison, I think quite a bit went right for Green last
year. The Chiefs led the league in scoring, so there's not a ton of
room to improve-but perhaps worse yet, is Kansas City's improving
defense. With a better defense, the Chiefs won't need to air it out
as much, and fewer shoot outs will diminish Green's value.
Positives
- Has the best combination of running back/tight end in the league
- If Johnnie Morton, Dante Hall or Marc Boerigter can improve (none
caught even 500 yards last year), Green should be able to hit the
4,000 yard mark. Remember, the Chiefs finished just outside the
top ten in passing offense.
- Strong armed quarterback with decent mobility, in the fifth year
in Vermeil's system
- Plays behind a fantastic offensive line
Negatives
- Improving defense should lead to a more balanced team, and less
points for the Chiefs
- Does not have a star wide receiver, and his top two targets have
question marks: Gonzalez has seen his numbers dwindle in the last
two years, and the health and status of Priest Holmes is still up
in the air.
- Doesn't provide much on the ground himself, and Priest Holmes
vultures a lot of TDs.
Final Thoughts
I like Trent Green, but the quarterback position is very deep and
talented right now. Green doesn't run like the stud QBs, and he doesn't
have a star WR corps like the other star QBs. I don't see much upside
with Green, unless one of the Chiefs receivers really improves. Green
is the perfect candidate for a QBBC system, and would make a great
QB2. He could be a QB1, but he's going to have a difficult time being
a top ten QB in just about any scoring system.
Quotes from the P.O.D. Message
Thread:
To view the entire P.O.D. thread (there's a ton of fantastic commentary
in there), click here:
TheDirtyWord:
"Everyone knows how explosive the KC offense can be with
a healthy Holmes, but the Chiefs also have the best TE in the business
and a WR crew (Kennison, Boerigter, Hall, Morton) who seem to be gelling
as a unit. None are stars, and Morton was a huge disappointment in
2002, but the bottom line is that Green is not wanting for targets.
To me, Green is a great value pick in Round 7 and seems to have
turned a corner with regard to being a starting NFL QB and the Chiefs
offense. I look for him to have another solid to perhaps, close to
Pro-Bowl year."
smlevin:
"Green finished in the top-10 in most leagues last year
after throwing only 470 times. He was effective, going for 26 TDs
versus only 13 Ints, and he even showed a slight amount of running
ability as he ran for 230 yards and a TD. I think Green is really
hitting his groove in this offense - if he continues that groove through
the preseason, he will be a tremendous pick from the 6th round or
later. Pure gravy would be if any of his top-3 WRs turn into a go-to
guy for him."
Deuce's Wild:
"Why would (the Chiefs) players have to do so much better?
(Green) had 26 Tds last year and Collins threw for another. Gonzo
is very capable of a more productive season, Boerigter had 8 Tds last
year and Morton will definitely play better. In addition, Holmes may
be involved more as a receiver than a runner this year in an attempt
to keep him healthy....that's just MO though."
GibbyGarcia:
"Worst case scenario you get a top 10 QB in the mid-rounds.
Best case scenario, you get a Warner 99'-like QB that ends up as one
of the top 3. The latter may be the more realistic."
OSCAR GOLDMAN:
"Trent Green is a guy who I think can really put it together
this year, IF a lot of things fall into place. Priest's health is
the obvious, but if he is 100% and Gonzo rebounds that would bode
well. Additionally, if one of the wide outs emerge as the clear cut
guy, and there is enough of them that it certainly is possible, I
think that Green could put up some serious numbers. My guess is that
Holmes will be fine, Gonzo rebounds and Morton or Kennison improve
just enough"
Projections:
Source |
Pass Yards |
Pass TDs |
INTs |
Rush Yds |
Rush TDs |
Fantasy |
Footballguys |
3749 |
21 |
14 |
115 |
1 |
282 |
Jason Wood |
3880 |
24 |
17 |
205 |
1 |
300 |
Chase Stuart |
3700 |
22 |
17 |
200 |
1 |
282 |
P.O.D. Consensus |
3898 |
28 |
13 |
165 |
1 |
317 |
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