Spotlight - QBs Rich Gannon & Kerry Collins, Oakland Raiders
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Posted 8/22 by Jason Wood and Chase Stuart, Exclusive to Footballguys.com
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Jason Wood's Thoughts
Let's see
- Rich Gannon is 38 years old
- He's coming off major shoulder surgery
- A new coaching staff, with no ties to Gannon, has taken over
- Kerry Collins, a 32-year old rocket-armed starting caliber QB was signed
in the offseason
- Gannon is due to make $7 million this year
If you were to think that these factors added up to Gannon being given his
unconditional release this offseason you would not have been alone. However,
contrary to conventional wisdom, not only has Gannon been retained for 2004,
there has been nary a hint at a QB competition.
Back in May, right after Collins signed with Oakland
"Obviously I've played a lot in this league and started a lot of games,"
Collins said Tuesday in Alameda, Calif. "But when I came here they made
it clear what the situation would be. I understood that Rich would be the
starter and I will be the guy that's there if something happens to Rich. That
will be my approach."
Friday, July 30
Reporter: "Kerry, are you competing for a starting job?"
Collins: `No, I am not."
Reporter: "Why?"
Collins: "That's what they told me was going to happen when I came here."
Additionally, Gannon has publicly acknowledged his motivation from being counted
out by football pundits and fantasy football gurus alike
"I think you get motivated anytime you have an injury like I had
or the criticism that I've had," (Gannon said). "My skills, my talent
have been questioned by members of the media ... by football people, by fantasy
football people. I take it personally. I don't understand how a person goes
from the MVP of the league and in four straight Pro Bowls, then he gets hurt
and he's a bum."
OK, so I think it's fair to say that Gannon has a very real shot at being the
starter for a full 16 games. He's been healthy in mini camp and the first few
weeks of training camp, and has shown no ill effects from his surgically repaired
shoulder. Now, with that in mind, what should we expect from Gannon and the
passing game in Oakland?
- Offensive line looks promising - The offensive line was a strength
of the 2002 Super Bowl team, and a weakness last year. The Raiders made the
necessary moves this offseason to ensure the line was no longer a deterrent
to winning games. Ron Stone was brought in via free agency, and the team used
the 2nd overall pick on mammoth blue chip tackle Robert Gallery. The team
followed that up with a 2nd round pick on G/C Jake Grove; who is already playing
with the first team. Not only does this line have an infusion of talent, the
depth is also exceptional with last year's guards Mo Collins and Frank Middleton
likely backing up this year.
- Receiving corps is uncertain - The release of Tim Brown officially
signaled the beginning of a new era in Oakland. This year's starters will
be the ageless Jerry Rice and the "will he ever be a star" Jerry
Porter. Behind them are Ron Curry, Doug Gabriel and a passel of other pass
catchers including TEs Teyo Johnson and Doug Jolley. New HC Norv Turner likes
to throw the ball deep to the outside off play action; but it's unclear whether
the personnel fit that mold. A HUGE question mark for Gannon's success will
be if Jerry Porter emerges as a legitimate WR1 this year; I have my doubts.
- Offensive system - When Jon Gruden took control in Oakland many were
stunned that Al Davis would allow someone to implement to West Coast offense;
yet success breeds acceptance and Davis tolerated (for a while) Gruden and
Bill Callahan's system because the team was winning a ton of games. But now
that Callahan has been shown the door, Davis hired Norv Turner to bring back
the deep passing attack that was the Raiders hallmark for so long. Turner
has always preferred a heavy dose of running to set up the deep passing game;
and has enjoyed varied degrees of success in his stints in Dallas, Washington
and most recently Miami.
Positives
- Gannon enjoyed four consecutive top 3 fantasy finishes prior to last year
when he injured his shoulder
- Collins is probably one of the best backups in the league; he should be
among the first backups drafted in redrafts
- The offensive line looks much improved with the additions of Gallery, Grove
and Stone
Negatives
- Gannon is 38 years old, coming off major shoulder surgery and was a marginal
QB talent prior to embracing Jon Gruden's system - which no longer exists
in Oakland
- Norv Turner has had modest success as an NFL head coach; his reputation
as an offensive genius is probably overstated
- The receiving corps cannot be considered among the league's elite especially
if Jerry Porter fails to take the giant leap forward so many are predicting
Final Thoughts
Net-net, I believe Rich Gannon has enough weapons at his disposal that if the
line plays as well as I expect, he'll be anywhere from a decent QB2 to a very
solid QB2 (i.e., top 15 QB). I think the worries about Kerry Collins taking
over and people's tendency to focus on last year exclusively has led to Gannon
being undervalued. His current average draft position is 23rd (12th round in
12-team mock drafts) and that probably is a little low provided Gannon remains
healthy this season.
So where does Kerry Collins fit into the equation? Simply put, I think Kerry
Collins gets too much credit as a threat. Yes, he's started a ton of games and
led the New York Giants to the Super Bowl a few years ago. However, Collins
has dramatic flaws in his game. Most notably, as someone who's seen Collins
in action on many occasions, he's robotic. Collins is the type of QB who fails
miserably if asked to improvise. He'll make his reads and make the throw if
it's there, but God forbid if he needs to react quickly in the face of a pass
rush or check down to his 4th or 5th option. While Collins' experience in the
Giants system allowed him to react more naturally over time, he's now faced
with learning a new system, with new receivers; that means he'll be a shadow
of the efficient QB he become a few years into his Giants career, in my view.
Additionally, from a fantasy perspective, Collins has never been better than
a middle-of-the-road backup. In 10 NFL seasons, the majority as a starter, he's
thrown more than 20 touchdowns exactly once.
Chase Stuart's Thoughts:
A year ago, Rich Gannon and Kerry Collins were coming off strong years. Gannon
of course was the league MVP-and Collins was one of just four players to throw
for 4,000 yards in 2002. Well, what a difference a year makes. Gannon is now
viewed as one of the bottom fantasy QBs in the league, and Collins is backing
up Rich Gannon. Let's start by looking at one of the worst collapses in the
history of passing the football. Here's the Oakland aerial assault:
- 2002: 418 completions, 619 attempts (67.5%), 4,689 yards (7.58 Y/A);
26 TDs, 10 INTs
- 2003: 278 completions, 522 attempts (53.3%), 2,988 yards (5.72 Y/A);
9 TDs, 14 INTs
In 2002, Gannon finished just a point behind Daunte Culpepper for the top spot
among fantasy QBs. Last year, Gannon ranked #37th, just a point ahead of fellow
Raider Rick Mirer.
There's no doubt that the Raiders passing offense will lie somewhere in between
the past two years-the question is which season will it more closely resemble?
Right now Gannon is being drafted late thirteenth round, with Collins going
a couple of rounds later. I think you can't draft one without the other, but
is there good value to get them both? The pick value calculator says those two
picks, are equal to an eleventh round pick. That's around the Carson Palmer,
Tommy Maddox, Rex Grossman section of your QB lists. The way I see it, drafting
both Raiders QBs will offer you strong insurance in case of injury, thus making
solid QB2 and QB3s for your roster. You can draft one of the studs early, and
then both of these players late. And what do we expect out of them?
One would imagine a healthy Jerry Porter, star rookie T Robert Gallery, rookie
interior lineman Jake Grove, three-time Pro Bowl Guard Ron Stone and RB Amos
Zereoue to improve the offense. Rice is still excellent at getting open, and
the Raiders have Norv Turner running the offense now. However, Brown is a shell
of his former self, and Charlie Garner was a huge part of that 2002 offense.
With Garner off to Tampa Bay, Oakland has a ton of running backs that are nothing
more than mediocre.
Positives
- An improved team all around should help the bruised egos from a year ago.
Out went the malcontent ex-coach, and in came improvement on both lines
- Three TEs that can catch (Doug Jolley, Teyo Johnson, and Roland Williams),
the Jerrys, Rice and Porter, and the lack of a great running game all are
positives for the passing attack
- Both Gannon and Collins have excelled in the past, so there's not a ton
of questions about their ability. They've played in Super Bowls and Pro Bowls,
and can rack up the yards
Negatives
- Both are coming off poor seasons, and age is a concern especially with Gannon
- The loss of Garner really hurts them-and they're installing a new offensive
system, with a bunch of new players. There's no doubt that they will need
some time to gel. Gannon had a significantly higher completion percentage
when Charlie Garner was around
- No matter how you slice it, Oakland was just atrocious last year. They don't
have a ton of youth, and it remains to be seen which year (2002 or last season)
was the fluke
Final Thoughts
I think Rich Gannon's going to be the guy here, but he's not going to have
a long leash. I'm not positive that he's the better QB, and Norv Turner has
loyalties to no one. Whether due to injury (Gannon's 38) or poor play, we should
see Kerry Collins this year. I think it's very risky to grab one without the
other, but very smart to grab them both. If you could afford the roster space,
you'll feel comfortable about your backups. As for where they're going in drafts
right now, you could do a lot worse.
Quotations from the Message Board Thread
To view the entire Player Spotlight thread (there's a ton of fantastic commentary
in there), click here.
KKrew:
"Prior to the Bill Callahan-induced free-fall of 2003 Da Raiders averaged
26 passing TDs and 19 rushing TDs from 1999 through 2002. Somehow the 2003 squad
managed only 24 total TDs. I'm thinking the offense will rebound some in 2004.
Why? Well, Norv Turner must be considered, at a minimum, an addition by
subtraction. Callahan's out - that's got to be good."
Silver & Black:
"The way the Collins courting and signing played out, I have no doubt
that this is Gannon's club this year. He will go into the season as the starter
(assuming of course he is as healthy as advertised) and with a rejuvenated O-line
and plenty of talent to throw to, I think Gannon is going to be a major sleeper/value
type QB this year."
SammyJankis:
"In this case, anyone that would consider the Gannon/Collins gambit
has to ask themselves three questions in a redraft:
1) Do I feel confident that I'll know who the starter is at my draft and
if so, is that guy likely to keep the job (barring injury of course)?
2) If the answer is no, do I want to burn two roster spots on this situation?
3) Is the upside of the Oakland QB situation enough to warrant the cost?
(As in two roster spots)
My answers:
1) It depends on when your draft is. I feel like the guy that gets named
the starter is going to start the year (barring injury). If you hold the draft
a week before NFL kickoff, chances are either Gannon will be named the starter
(for this year) or he'll be released.
2) Again, if your draft is late enough, you might only need one roster spot.
If it's early, you can use both spots with an eye on cutting the backup loose
after you feel better about who starts.
3) Per Antsports mocks, in 10 team leagues, Gannon goes at 13.05 (QB 23)
and Collins at 14.06(QB 28). So if an owner was so inclined, they could let
their backup QB slide until the end of the draft and pick up these two before
picking up a kicker. Again, I don't think you're talking about using those spots
all year long, just long enough to figure out who's the guy. So the cost is
very very low. Is the upside there for Gannon/Collins? Well in 2002 Gannon finished
as QB2 in FBGs scoring system. Last year Oakland QBs were awful, dead last in
TD passes and near the bottom in passing yardage. Which offense can we expect
to see this year? Well I think where opinions would differ most would agree
that the passing game will be better than 03, but not as good as 02, but that's
a lot of ground. I'm of the mind that the Oakland passing offense will be good,
possibly very good. Not 02 good mind you, but good."
Pigskin Fanatic:
"I agree wholeheartedly that the Raiders' passing game will be prolific.
I still believe in Porter and the team's numbers speak for themselves. However,
taking a chance on Gannon is too big of a risk and since no one in their right
minds would count on Gannon to be their QB1 entering the season (unless of course
you are in a very very very deep league), I'm hear to tell you to take Kerry
Collins on draft day."
Rich Gannon Projections
Source |
PassYds
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TDs
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INTs
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RushYds
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TDs
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FntPts
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Jason Wood |
3130
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19
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13
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100
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1
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236
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Chase Stuart |
2420
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13
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10
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100
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1
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179
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Message Board Consensus |
3006
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19
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9
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88
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1
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232
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Kerry Collins Projections
Source |
PassYds
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TDs
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INTs
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RushYds
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TDs
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FntPts
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Jason Wood |
240
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3
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2
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10
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0
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23
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Chase Stuart |
1350
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6
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5
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25
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0
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89
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Message Board Consensus |
600
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3
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3
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11
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0
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40
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