Drinen's Mailbag - Issue #3
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Posted 8/27 by Doug Drinen - Exclusive to Footballguys.com
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Thanks again for all the questions and comments. Keep
'em coming (put "MAILBAG" in the subject line).
Three issues this week:
- Bye weeks.
- Rookie running backs.
- Second-year receivers.
Quick question: is there a good column (I didn't see one) discussing
how Open Weeks should affect one's draft? In particular, if my RB1 has an open
week in week 4, how strongly should I steer away from an RB2 (or a QB1, WR1)
who has the same open week? Is there an approximate reduction in VBD points
that you would apply to a player who has the same open week as another player
on my team?
Benjamin K.
This question gets debated frequently over on the
message boards and some people have some pretty strong opinions. I won't
pretend to have any revolutionary new ideas, but this is as good a time as any
to recap the arguments and let you know where I stand.
Some folks say: spread out the bye weeks. Try to make sure your top
four or five players have different bye weeks. If you've got more than one stud
on bye in a given week, you're at a real disadvantage.
Some folks say: load up on a particular bye week. If a great many of
your top players have the same bye, then you only have to worry about bye weeks
once and you're at full strength the rest of the year.
Some folks say: ignore bye weeks completely. Don't even look at them.
Spread 'em out, load 'em up, who cares? Any way you slice it, everyone has one
bye, so what does it matter?
I should point out that almost no one would advocate using bye week considerations
as anything more than a tie breaker. Regardless of which camp you fall into,
you don't draft Kevan Barlow ahead of Deuce McAllister to get your byes squared
away.
I've never done any real analysis on this, but let's do a quick thought experiment.
To keep it simple, let's concentrate on only the running backs. Say your league
starts two. What's the difference between having your two starting runners on
bye at the same time vs. having their byes on different weeks? If they have
different byes, then your 16 games look something like this:
One game with RB1-RB3
One game with RB2-RB3
14 games with RB1-RB2
Whereas, if they have the same bye, you get this:
One game with RB3-RB4
15 games with RB1-RB2
So, if you load up the bye weeks, you're trading an RB2-RB3 game and an RB1-RB3
game for an RB1-RB2 game and an RB3-RB4 game. Broken down even further, you're
trading RB3 for RB1 in one game and RB1 for RB4 in another. I tally that up
-- at least theoretically -- as a win for spreading the bye weeks out. A simulation
could probably be designed that would tell us, in general, how much difference
it makes. I'd be willing to bet a Bryant boat that the difference would be negligible.
We're talking one win per decade negligible. And yes, this is an oversimplified
example. But we could design a simulation that could take entire rosters and
lineup requirements into account. I'm still willing to bet it wouldn't make
much difference.
Personally, I ignore bye weeks. Even when drafting backups, I'd hate to miss
out on a high upside player because his bye was the same week as my starter.
Looking at bye weeks is something I do only if I'm drafting a backup
that will very likely never play except on my starter's bye and if I
have no other basis -- none at all -- for breaking a tie between that player
and another one.
If I were forced to choose between loading 'em up or spreading 'em out, I'd
load 'em up. I'd choose that not because I believe it would win me more
games, but because it's easier for me psychologically. I absolutely hate being
nickeled and dimed to death. When my byes are spread out, I feel like that's
what's happening to me.
One more thing to consider. If your league sets up its schedule before the
draft, you might make note of the weeks you play the guy you view as your toughest
competition or simply the guy you most love to beat. Let's refer to this guy
as "Tim S." If you are absolutely torn between two players and have no other
basis for choosing between them, choose the one that does not have a bye when
you're playing Tim S. Conversely, if there's a perrenial patsy in your league,
say "Bill C," a guy you believe you could beat even with your second string,
then draft the player who has a bye the week you're playing him.
Has there been are is there going to be a Rookie ranking sheet
put out. It is very helpful for keeper leagues, (especially mine where rookies
can be retained for 3 years without using a rooster spot.) It would be helpful
to have a ranking that would show this years potential, but also what you guys
think their future value will be.
Wayne
The value of rookies in non-redraft leagues is very sensitive to the nature
of the keeper rules. In a straight keep-3 or keep-4 league, I'd view rookies
almost exactly the way I'd view them in a redraft league. In a keep-8 or keep-10
league, rookies do demand some extra consideration. In a dynasty league or a
league like yours where rookies can be kept without penalty for a long period
of time, you've got to know the rookies inside and out.
Right after the NFL draft, footballguys Tom Nadratowski, Chris Smith, Mark
Wimer, and Jason Wood put together these articles on the rookie crop of 2003:
[QB] [RB]
[WR] [TE]
[OL] [DL]
[LB] [DB]
I'll defer to those guys on the relative mertis of each of the various rookies.
Rather than attempt to rank them, I thought I'd interject a bit of historical
perspective on this year's rookie running back crop.
What was notable about the 2003 draft, from a fantasy perspective, was the
lack of first- and second-round running backs. Given that, a lot of people have
advised simply passing on this year's crop and trading your rookie picks for
established players or future draft picks. There were, however, 13 running backs
taken in rounds three and four. These are obviously not blue-chip prospects
who will provide guaranteed instant help, but should we be writing them off
altogether? What can we reasonably expect from these 13 backs over the next
year? The next two years? The next three years? To get some idea, I looked at
all running backs drafted in rounds three and four from 1990-2000. That's a
total of 82 running backs.
- There were some very good backs in that bunch: Curtis Martin, Ahman Green,
Chris Warren, Stephen Davis, Raymont Harris, Duce Staley. Obviously, there
were also a lot of duds.
- Of the 82 backs, 14 of them (about 17 percent) turned in an above-the-baseline
season (i.e. a season among the top 24 running backs) at some point in their
careers.
- Six of the 82 backs finished above the baseline in their rookie season.
- Eight of the 82 finished above the baseline in either their first or second
season.
- 12 of the 82 finished above the baseline in either their first, second,
or third season.
So if this year is in line with recent history, we can expect two of those
13 third- and fourth-round running backs to provide a good fantasy season at
some point in the next three years.
I know we've beaten up breakout years for WRs. I was wondering
if there's any trends working for 2nd year WRs that performed well as rookies.
David H.
I honestly don't know what to make of this tidbit, but it is a stone cold
fact that, in the recent past, receivers who have done well as rookies have
not fared well at all in their second years. Here is a list of all wideouts
since 1990 who:
- were rookies;
- played at least 8 games;
- were among the top 40 wide receivers in terms of fantasy points per game
in their rookie season;
- played at least 8 games in their second season.
The number after each receiver's name is the change in his fantasy points per
game from his rookie season to his second. A positive number means he improved.
A negative number means he declined.
Receiver |
Fnty Pt Diff
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Fred Barnett |
0.3
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Calvin Williams |
-2.9
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Rob Moore |
1.1
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Ricky Proehl |
-1.0
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Lawrence Dawsey |
-1.1
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Willie Green |
-0.4
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Horace Copeland |
-4.6
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Darnay Scott |
-0.9
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Derrick Alexander |
-5.3
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Joey Galloway |
-0.9
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Chris Sanders |
-1.4
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Michael Westbrook |
-1.7
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Terry Glenn |
-4.1
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Eddie Kennison |
-6.8
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Keyshawn Johnson |
-1.6
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Marvin Harrison |
-0.7
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Randy Moss |
-1.4
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Oronde Gadsden |
0.2
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Kevin Johnson |
-4.9
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Torry Holt |
5.2
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Peter Warrick |
-2.2
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Chris Chambers |
-1.5
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That's four improvers against 18 decliners. On average, this group declined
by 1.7 fantasy points per game.
Now let's look at this from the opposite angle. Instead of starting with good
rookies and looking ahead, let's start with good second-year receivers and look
backward. That is, of the receivers who had good second seasons, what kinds
of rookie years did they have? So we'll round up all second-year receivers who
finished among the top 20 in fantasy points per game (among those who played
8 or more games).
Good 2nd-yr WR |
Rookie yd/TD
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Andre Rison |
820 / 4
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Rob Moore |
692 / 6
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Fred Barnett |
721 / 8
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Herman Moore |
135 / 0
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Michael Jackson |
268 / 2
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Mike Pritchard |
624 / 2
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Courtney Hawkins |
336 / 2
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Vincent Brisby |
626 / 2
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Isaac Bruce |
272 / 3
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Antonio Freeman |
106 / 1
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Joey Galloway |
1039 / 7
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Randy Moss |
1313 / 17
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Marcus Robinson |
44 / 1
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Germane Crowell |
464 / 3
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Tim Dwight |
94 / 1
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Torry Holt |
788 / 6
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David Boston |
473 / 2
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Darrell Jackson |
713 / 6
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Several of the biggest years ever by second-year receivers were turned in by
players who had had very modest production a year earlier. For whatever reason
-- again, I'm somewhat stumped by this -- a rookie receiver's stats alone don't
tell you much about how he's likely to do in his second year. For you mathematical
zealots out there, the correlation coefficient between rookie points per game
and second-year points per game is .48, while the correlation between second-year
points per game and third-year points per game is .67.
Strange but true.
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